Astraleaf (#17183)

We have differing opinions, then. I know being a leader is not easy but still the devs seem to want guilds to be both hard to create and small to start, and that is going to drive people away. I understand being difficult to start up to prevent spam ones from coming in, but in that case why make them just 20 people to start? Especially knowing there are big guilds out there with way more people than that who are basically waiting on the affection gates to get started in the official on site capacity (and now the delay in opening them, which I fully understand). Also if it's supposed to be based on cooperation and being a collective, why are the affection requirements squarely on the leader and not split between the founders? Same for the potatoes, though at least you can donate potatoes to the cause if need be but you can't donate affection.

This site is supposed to be *fun*, and the guilds especially more so, and putting in a system that makes things more difficult for the leaders when dealing with the people who want to be part of their guilds is not fun. The devs are making an intentional gate that is going to cause problems; the leaders didn't know there would be any kind of starting member limit before, so now they have to figure out the best way to pick the 15 people who get in first beyond the founders and then deal with the fallout of that choice. Now if people want to make their guilds invite only and deal with that then that's one thing, but this is something that's being forced upon people which is no fun.

And no, it's not fun to discover features when they come out, not for something like this. It needs to be laid out plainly exactly how the thing works so there's no confusion and no scrambling. We already know exactly what it takes to establish a guild, so why can't we know exactly what the limits are? Discovering if there's a max level the guild can reach is fun, trying to figure out if an upper limit for number of members exists and what it is to make sure there's space for everyone in the guild is not. There's too much left up to question because the wording isn't clear and no one has made a guild yet and wont' be able to for some time, and that leaves myself (and I'm sure others) uncomfortable and worried about how this is going to play out when guilds open.